Apple TV 1 – CrystalBuntu – OpenELEC

49 thoughts to “Apple TV 1 – CrystalBuntu – OpenELEC”

1. Great aricle, I just purchased one myself so your advice will be helpful.

2. Good write up, I have just followed an identical path, but went with the bcm970015 card. What I don’t understand is how you are booting I’m 15s?! And do you turn it off all the time? As in unplug the power cable? Because the power management is non existant!

3. Thanks for your help. I’ve a couple of questions. I’ve installed Openelec on the hard drive but previously tested it from a usb. I thought it would boot faster now but it doesn’t… Any idea what can I have done wrong?
   The second question is, if I want to install Crystalbuntu or reinstall Openelec, do I have to restore the Apple TV OS previously or can I do it over the existing installation? And does Crystalbuntu work without the Broadcom card?
   Once again, thanks for your help.
   Regards

4. I’ve no idea why it is running slower from the Internal HDD, unless the drive itself is coming to the end of it’s life & suffering from bad sectors & poor reads.

   With regards to Crystalbuntu, I’ve actually switched back to Crystalbuntu as it seems a little more stable. It will run perfectly without the broadcom card but you will have to setup wifi manually by creating a wpa_supplicant.conf file and working a little bit of linux magic. If you google it you will find how to do it, not too difficult. Crystalbuntu boots slower than Openelec but on the whole seems more stable after further testing.

   There is no need to restore the stock ATV software, you can chop & change between openelec & crystalbuntu as much as you like, as the partitions are erased & reassigned each time anyway. If your ATV is hard wired with an ethernet cable you won’t need to do any complex Linux work, however if you want wifi it’s a little more tricky.

5. What can I say… I’m very grateful 🙂

6. I’ve installed openelec 2.0 and the boot is really slow (much more than 30 secs) and it suffer some freezes
   But My real concern is about temperature of the Apple TV…..it’s really really hot….is this Normal ??….can it be fixed some way ??……is kind of annoying

7. Heat is normal on the Apple TV 1. The problem is that the case itself is the heatsink for the whole system. Remember this is a traditional processor and hard drive setup just like a standard PC, not like the ARM/Risc based solutions such as the later Apple TVs. These processors run much cooler and don’t need any active cooling. To cool it down you can run it without fans & Hard Drive (booting directly from a USB flash drive).

   With regards boot time, your hard drive might be about to die, if it’s running out of life reads will be worse and can slow things down. Try using the brand new openelec beta that came out a few days ago.

8. thanks for this! decided to give OpenELEC a try last night. I have the Broadcom BCM 970015 and was eager to see how it ran without the sputtering. Problem is I have reformatted the laptop with my repositories and instructions on how to ftp them over to the ATV. can you give me a little guidance?

   Thanks!

9. Are you streaming Sky via XBMC’s AirPlay option (using AirParrot) on this? I’m interested to know how it’s working if so. Thanks.

10. +1 for CrystalBuntu

    Full-fledged Linux OS that can handle SAB, sickbeard, couch, openVPN, transmission, etc. Currently running on 8.04LTS but about to get the bump to 12.04LTS.

    The lowest powered, always-on central point of entertainment and WAN access you can have for next to nada.

    Good post. Keep power-efficient, old hardware alive!

11. Excellent post – thanks for it.

    I’ve been using a jailbroken ATV1 for years and I’m considering this change. One (possibly daft) question: I’m only mildly familiar with XBMC… do you simply use the Apple Remote to control the XBMC on the ATV after loading, say, openELEC?

12. I have a quick question. Before I install CrystalBuntu or OpenELEC, must I first flash my device, or can I just install one of these two without flashing?

13. Hi,

    I came across your post when looking for Power Management stuff about the Apple TV Gen 1. I bought two of these after I read about the crystalhd hack and the fact it had component/composite output (great for my old beamer).

    However XBMC uses 10% of the CPU even when sitting idle and when display is put to sleep. Apparently XBMC is redrawing the screen in high frequency even then. Also the Linux kernel has problems with the ACPI information from the Apple TV device, and possibly C3 state (suspend/resume) is not supported, which doesn’t help in having a cool idle mode either. It’s been a known problem even with the original OS on it. However I think we can make XBMC better on these devices by simply making XBMC use no CPU when the system is idle and display is in sleep.

    It shouldn’t be that hard, and it makes sense to do it. With the CPU going into C2 state all the time, and idling the HDD we should lower the heat production and save on electricity. I documented some of the bits I discovered at:

    https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/issues/1754

    Having the Display Sleep option in the Power button would also be a handy way to make the screen/beamer turn itself off (after some timeout) when it looses signal.

14. For power management I would install Crystalbuntu. I’ve actually switched to Crystalbuntu for this very reason. As it’s based on a linux distro it has CPU throttling built in and much better memory management. Seems more reliable and runs cooler due to CPU throttling. I would definitely check out crystalbuntu for in car setups.

15. Non of these steps involve flashing. The term flashing refers to wiping a memory chip, normally a read only chip, but definitely a chip. As the ATV1 uses a hard drive it’s simply a case of letting the installer partition the drive and install. You can always switch back to the ATV1 standard OS in the future but I can’t imagine you would ever want to as it’s very limited & clunky.

16. Sure you use the apple tv remote as the one and only input device. you can plug a keyboard into the apple tv, which is useful for setting up shares and typing in usernames & password, but the apple tv remote is all you really need.

17. No.

    Im streaming it from the sky sports app via airplay to my apple tv.

18. I’d just have them sat on one of your shares and add your repositories & add ons by selecting install for zip and pointing them at your network share.

19. Hi,

    I installed the BMC970015, now I’m looking for a the most reliable system ( crystalbuntu or openelec) to instal wi-fi sitecom wl-353 usb no adapter.

    Is this possible?

    Thanks

20. Hi

    I have a windows PC, is it possible you can give the installation instructions for windows? or will I need a mac or linux 🙁

    Thanks

21. Hello John, (or anyone that can help)

    I took your advice and installed the OpenElec on my atv1. Installing was easy enough and it looks great. However I’m having a problem I can’t solve and I’ve been looking everywhere.

    I can’t install any addons from zip files. I ssh into my home folder and put my zipfiles of the addons. But when I try to install them nothing happens. I even put the source for Fusion but when I look at that folder there is nothing inside also.

    Am I doing something wrong? I’ve done the same thing using Crystalbuntu before, but the openElec XBMC is really acting different. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

    If I can’t figure this out I’ll need to put the old OS back on and revert to the Crystalbuntu and ATV os together.

    Thank you
    D.

22. I have 2 atv’s (1st gen) and 1 each atv 2 & 3. Both atv’s have a BCM 970015 installed. 1 has the iOS 3.x on a 160gb HD with the firecore jailbreak and XBMC running. The other has crystalBuntu 2.0 running on a 160gb SSD. I removed the rubber backing from both and cleaned up the glue residue from the back plate. I turn them upside down allowing the heat to vent up through the plate. The internal fan is a waste of energy so I removed it as well. Since the atv2 runs atvFlash but does not display 1080p I will probably sell it and keep the atv3 to stream Hulu Plus and Netflix. All are connected via Ultra Slim Series High Performance HDMI Cable w/ RedMere® Technology to a Denon AV receiver. I use a universal Logitech One remote to control all components with ease. The hard pat is to get all the appleTV’s to behave independently of one another.

23. running ATV1 original with a very large internal hard drive on OPENELEC. Many want to have a 1080P video out, but I use 720P and it is just as effective, and I keep WIFI access on the ATV1. Just make sure you run your video files through HANDBRAKE application to fix them. Many converted files are not that great from the source, but HANDBRAKE fixes them all.

    Also have a ROKU box to get everything else out there. And finally have a HTPC that I connect for PVR use with WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER as well as redundant XBMC on that.

24. A wonderful article, I have many Apple TVs around my house which I’m selling some of
    (installed OpenELEC it’s fantastic on the Apple TV first-generation 160 GB model At first I used the ATV sub creator and I moded it with some of the ATV flash files. So it has XBMC (and also Boxee XBMC EDEN installed. And of course OpenElec the Crystal HD seems a tiresome way to take the box apart just install it . But I saw somewhere on eBay that this version is going for about $500. I think in the future we’ll see a Plex media box that would be something very interesting.

25. I got the Crystal HD card it was well worth the install after a lot of reading, i changed my mind this is amazing I am currently using the old Card 70012 but I ordered 70015 so I can’t wait to get it the old one plays 1080 so fast no. Buffering on Navi x best thing I ever did.

26. I’m back on Crystalbuntu 2 and have upgraded to the 70015 – Much better experience. A worthy 1080p media centre. Even copes well with high bitrate 1080p with DTS

27. I knew if you tried the upgrade like your comment above you would have a much better experience. Enjoy your low powered & smart looking media centre.

28. I dropped a 015 Broadcom card into my ATV running Crystalbuntu. Best money spent on Apple upgrades in a long time. It runs like a champ. 720p or 1080p. It runs hot even without the rubber backing and four new feet on the bottom but the top of the ATV is a heat sink. It’s connected to a thermal pad that sits right on the HD and processor.

29. John thanks again I am so loving this new
    BCM970015 Crystal HD Decoder Mini PCIE Card for Apple TV 1St Gen runs great using OpenELEC Is there a difference from Crystal Ubuntu? John Is there a way to add Netflix or Hulu +
    on the 1st Gen ?

30. The Broadcom Crystal HD Decoder 70015 freezes 10 minutes into a movie audio will continue for a few minutes but frame stays frozen.
    The older card Broadcom Crystal HD Decoder 70012 plays better choppy in the beginning but plays fine after. Not sure if there is a issue with other users ?

31. Hi John,

    Great blog, im thinking of adding the BCHD to my apple tv 1st gen, with the XBMC installed on Openelec. im just wondering if i can get away with playing 1080 from a USB hard drive or will i run into problems?

    Do i have to have the media installed on the internal drive to get the best playback?

32. It is brilliant with the 015 card. I wouldn’t worry about it running hot, it’s designed to do that.

    Enjoy.

33. There are solutions but they require your computer to transcode. Most games consoles have netflix nowadays. I use the Xbox 360 if I want to use netflix, or my iPad. Netflix is based on DRM and Microsoft silver light so not much chance of a native xbmc port.

34. It will run fine over USB. I run mine from my imac over wifi and it works perfectly. That’s 1080p high bitrate files. So USB drives have more than enough bandwidth over the USB interface.

35. For those concerned about heat…this from a tropical climate……
    I have modded many ATV1s and I can say the older ones get HOTTER, a lot hotter. I recently purchased a factrory sealed ATV1 out of Seattle on Craigslist . Luckily I had a friend there at the time and got it for $100.

    Seeing a new ATV1 160 run so much cooler than the 40GB counterpart is amazing. The issue is not entirely the heat from the hard disk but the 160GB disks run cooler.

    Last year I installed in one ATV a 8GB SSD and removed the power supply, from the ATV and placed it in an external box. This was a very old ATV and got VERY hot.m before the mod. Unfortunately the mod eliminated the place to fry an egg next to the TV

    For anyone using this in a car……
    I suggest that you remove the internal power supply and get a 12Volt to 5 Volt converter (minimum 7 Amps). You can also run the Hard disk on the USB port, just install crystalbuntu to the internal disk then move the disk to a USB case . Doing these two items will probably extend the life substantially, due to heat considerations

    Also ..

    I read somewhere that ATVClient used for the remote control under linux uses code from another project ATV(Something) and part of that codes ability is to control the fan in the ATV. I read that ATVClient via this other code, turns the fan OFF by default

    heat is the enemy of electronics and although the case is designed to get hot Apple trapped most of the air inside

36. Thanks John, it’s resurrected my old Apple TV 🙂
    I used the openelec option and it works really well, I can’t complain – except 1 thing, when I reboot the AppleTV it boots back to the APPLE TV, not OpenELEC. Any idea what’s going on, I’ve tried re-installing a few times and it all goes smoothly but if I reboot I’m back with AppleTV 🙁

37. If it reboots to the Apple TV you must be doing an install to USB instead of install to HDD. I would just use the install to HDD option and wipe the apple tv software. If you ever want it back on in the future it can be restored using free tools online, however I can’t see why you would want to.

38. Hi John,
    You’re absolutely correct, it has installed /dev/sdb1/ on the flash drive, as reported by the “system – storage” screen, the other partitions are all on the HDD. How do I force it to install to the HDD, I didn’t come across that option during installation.
    I also tried the CrystalBuntu install, this did the same thing, installed part to the flash drive.
    I’m back with OpenELEC now and it’s boots OK with the flash drive plugged in but obviously I’d like it fully on the HDD.
    BTW, thanks for the quick reply..

39. OK, ignore my last port, I’m just being stupid, I now see there are two installs available, I downloaded the wrong one!!

40. Great article. I’m running Crystalbuntu 2 and noticed that when I switched to a new 1080P TV from a 720P the performance really picked up while the unit runs cooler. Really the only thing I’d like to port from OpenElec is the Opera Browser.

    Joe

41. my problem is I can’t figure out how to load anything onto the hard drive now that i have crystalubuntu and xbmc installed. I have a bunch of concerts i would like to put on there. otherwise it runs awesome! thanks.

42. Hi

    I am still unsure, despite several readings of your post, and others! Do I need to install new drivers for the Broadcom adapter to work properly? BCM970015 is the adapter I got and I had some stuttering while watching regular MP4 files stored on my NAS

43. hi, I keep trying to break my ATV1, but when i try to write the usb stick, it asks for a password. Is this the password for the mac? Ive tried this, but it says its wrong, …..i dont have a pw on the atv, so any ideas please?

    thanks

    clive

44. Hi Clive.

    Are you trying to install crytsalbuntu?

45. I’m trying to install xbmc & boxer… Though I read now it’s been swallowed up by Samsung…,? I just want to stream some decent (?) ( or adult themed) channels through the atv1…. Yes, I presume it is crystal buntu, but I can’t install open elec either…. It must be my age!’

46. Yes…

47. I keep getting asked for an openelec login and password too whenever I try installing it on my atv. I tried login:root password:openelec but that doesn’t seem to work. Any advice?

48. HI John, do you have a copy or link that i can use to install Crystalbyntu 2.0, i cant find it anywhere??

49. Hi Shaun.

    It was rebranded into OSMC so you will need to download that. Same principle, just more up to date. Go visit https://osmc.tv/download/

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